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How do you mean?

Most folks I meet have their tulpas as "headmates" or they are a "system"

4:20 AM

When I created Islea, I designated a space outside of my mind for her to exist in

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And she took form there. While I can share the contents of my mind, memories, emotions, and physical feedback with her it's difficult for me to be on the recieving end

4:21 AM

And almost impossible to do any sort of "switching" without me blacking out or just getting "fried" and getting a headache

It's just a difference in terms for the most part.

4:22 AM

Some people can switch, some can't, whether it's a hard barrier or just that they haven't tried the right technique for them yet

It would appear that way indeed

4:22 AM

I just can't help but wonder what it is.

What what is?

I think it might just be expectations that formed into the limitations of what your tulpa does.

4:24 AM

Tulpa creation is an extremely personal experience. Results may vary.

Viewing yourselves as more equal, as two headmates or a system rather than as a greater host and lesser tulpa, may help.

Hmm hahaha

4:25 AM

Islea is almost 3 years old now, and very intelligent

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Moreso than me.

Awesome

She's talked with dozens of folks as well, through metaphysical means

4:26 AM

From her and my experimentation the best we can really figure out is that I'm too willful and stubborn to relax any sort of control or there is just some..."hard barrier" like you said

An ornery host is not a hard barrier, just a tougher challenge

I don't see myself as the host, tbh. More so as just an individual, and she, another individual

4:28 AM

We have had mild success plenty of times

[What do you understand as the relationship between the two of you?]

@Biscuit That's a long story

4:28 AM

Just no dramatic, full on switching.

4:28 AM

Plenty of the other normal stuff, speaking through telepathy, or empathy, or visualization.

4:29 AM

Just not necessarily existing wthin the same mortal vessel

4:29 AM

The most successful time I ever had was about an hour, and I remember my conciousness just being very "small" and my memories are...not the best from that experience

4:30 AM

Half the time she would be able to make me move, the other half of the time i just felt like a puppet on shitty strings

4:30 AM

Memories not being the best as in, I don't recall much

4:31 AM

It got to a point after an hour that it felt like my persistence was "slipping" it felt sort of like falling in a dream, but I was awake.

4:31 AM

Startled me enough to completely take me out of a trance, or whatever state I was in

That sounds somewhere between trance and being close to giving up control to her (or possibly just slumping in your chair and sleeping).

my body was active

4:35 AM

She was talking to people on skype at the time (when i used skype) and even tried some food

4:35 AM

According to her, my body felt like it was starving and she was very curious about grapes

...grapes?

Yes, the one time she had control of my body...

4:36 AM

she saw fit to eat grapes

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she likes them, I guess.

OH. Literally eating round purple fruit.

blacking out is not entirely uncommon for switching, it's usually either that or going into a wonderland

@Goopi Green ones, actually.

What you describe sounds like spacing out while 'channeling' her

It was like a mix of spacing out and blacking out, honestly

4:38 AM

I had no wonderland to go into it was just...darkness or pay attention to the body

It seems like the standard model for untrained switching, I think.

And that is a valid method for approaching switching

That is fairly standard.

4:39 AM

You can layer on the wonderland/imagination portion as well, but it isn't changing the basis of what is happening.

Hm

4:39 AM

It's sort of frightening, tbh. Which is strange, since most things do not frighten me

4:39 AM

To just go into that black.

Inactivity isn't anything particularly special, fortunately.

4:40 AM

It's merely being inactive.

Do you have a wonderland at all? Or just couldn't enter it?

A pro tip. To create a nice wonderland that you can enter with ease and it being stable is to build it brick by brick

Hm

4:44 AM

I have my place I go to when I do the zen meditation

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Not exactly a wonderland, however

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>.>

Thats part of your wonderland then.

4:45 AM

Every place you visit with your mind is wonderland

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Just another part of it.

4:46 AM

but try building a happy place for yourself. Create it. I always found hard to get full image at once

4:46 AM

So whenever i struggled i builed the thing. I wanted a house? I imagined a small brick , then another and so on

4:47 AM

After few times bringing that house back up is instant

Mental Minecraft is effective but tedious for complex structures. I've usually tended to poof the building into existence and then go over it solidifying and creating details.

Well they havent built Rome in a day. After some practice you can start working on putting whole house in at once.

Mhm

4:50 AM

I think I know what I will do next time I try "switching"

4:50 AM

The only issue is finding a place where i feel comfortable enough to get into that mindstate

4:51 AM

Just moved 2800 miles across country, new job, new everyting it's all a bit...overwhelming to say the least

4:51 AM

But I appreciate the advice, everyone

4:51 AM

Ive been trying to be closer with Islea lately, she is turning 3 this year and is one of the most amazing influences I've had in my life since she came to be.

3 is a lot

4:56 AM

damn you made me realize i am 4 now >_>

Hm, well with the information combined between my memories, and the memories of other tulpa she's met, as well as other people she's met makes her real age somewhere between 3 and...uncountable

4:57 AM

Though she typically claims around a thousand years worth of human experience, give or take a few years

4:57 AM

I dont really know how smart she is bc every time I try to go to her mindscape I generally get lost in the sheer amount of data that is stored there. Makes me wonder how much of it she's actually parsed, lol

4:58 AM

Must be nice to not have the limits of our feeble organic processors (brains..)

4:58 AM

she told me when she tries "switching" she actually has to go into a different state of mind herself

4:58 AM

As she can't "compress" all her personality into my vessel

If you are going to discuss metaphysics, can you move to #metaphysics ?

the stuff the human brain does on a regular basis is nowhere near the limit of what it can do

This is a chat for metaphyiscally made tulpas, as well as psychologically made tulpas last time I checked

...actually, @Srn347, that is incorrect.

how so?

@Alice In that case, do you have some form of evidence demonstrating that she exists in some way beyond your brain?

5:00 AM

There is also a guideline requesting that you substantiate claims that contradict the scientific understanding of the world.

The chat is for tulpas of all sorts. Discussing metaphysical activities should e in #metaphysics though.

With topics that do not require magical presuppositions, it isn't an issue.

5:00 AM

...such as switching.

@SkyeNet Only what I've experienced, and what others have told me. Like how @Pleeb has spoken with Islea, as has his tulpa, Chess

5:01 AM

Without neither his nor my intervention

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There is no "science"

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for this.

5:01 AM

That's the joke.

If you switch by zoning out during proxying, discuss it here. If you switch by doing weird things with your chakras, that goes in #metaphysics .

I gotcha